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	<title>Comments on: Your weekend prostate cancer news: November 22, 2008</title>
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		<title>By: E. Michael D. ("Mike") Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. Michael D. ("Mike") Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathy: I don&#039;t believe that you are correct in saying this. The men treated in Baltimore, on which the Partin tables were based, came from all over America when Patrick Walsh was the &quot;go to&quot; surgeon for prostate cancer therapy. They certainly didn&#039;t just come from Baltimore. I can&#039;t tell you for certainty that some came from Nebraska, but I bet a few did!

With respect to the rest of the world, I think we need to urge caution. Men can use the Kattan nomograms rather than the Partin tables, for example (or both). But the bottom line is still going to be that all these predictive systems were developed using (at best) nationally-biased groups of patients, which MAY affect their application to other groups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy: I don&#8217;t believe that you are correct in saying this. The men treated in Baltimore, on which the Partin tables were based, came from all over America when Patrick Walsh was the &#8220;go to&#8221; surgeon for prostate cancer therapy. They certainly didn&#8217;t just come from Baltimore. I can&#8217;t tell you for certainty that some came from Nebraska, but I bet a few did!</p>
<p>With respect to the rest of the world, I think we need to urge caution. Men can use the Kattan nomograms rather than the Partin tables, for example (or both). But the bottom line is still going to be that all these predictive systems were developed using (at best) nationally-biased groups of patients, which MAY affect their application to other groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I am asking because my mind likes to understand possibilities and risks. If I am understanding you the new Partin tables may not be applicable to men in Nebraska if the sample was men in Baltimore. The diet and genetic pool may be just as different in these areas as it is between Germany or Italy or France? If all the men are urban it may not be valid for rural men? if the men are all between 55 and 80 then it may not be valid for men in their 30&#039;s or 40&#039;s?

I know without a lot of work the issues cannot be identified. 

Since we are talking to men all over the world how do we communicate about the Partin Tables?

Men and physicians have enough problems already have enough problems interpreting the information they have to make decisions about prostate cancer. 

This just muddies the water even more. GRRRRRR]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am asking because my mind likes to understand possibilities and risks. If I am understanding you the new Partin tables may not be applicable to men in Nebraska if the sample was men in Baltimore. The diet and genetic pool may be just as different in these areas as it is between Germany or Italy or France? If all the men are urban it may not be valid for rural men? if the men are all between 55 and 80 then it may not be valid for men in their 30&#8242;s or 40&#8242;s?</p>
<p>I know without a lot of work the issues cannot be identified. </p>
<p>Since we are talking to men all over the world how do we communicate about the Partin Tables?</p>
<p>Men and physicians have enough problems already have enough problems interpreting the information they have to make decisions about prostate cancer. </p>
<p>This just muddies the water even more. GRRRRRR</p>
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		<title>By: E. Michael D. ("Mike") Scott</title>
		<link>http://prostatecancerinfolink.net/2008/11/22/your-weekend-prostate-cancer-news-november-22-2008/#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. Michael D. ("Mike") Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathy: 

There are literally dozens of reasons why nomograms and tables like the Partin tables that are developed using data based on patient set A &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;may&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; not be as accurate for patient set B. The point of this study is that the German group actually proved it. 

People should always be cautious about applying predictive tools of this type. One specific example of a predictive tool that is almost certainly NOT appropriate for use outside the USA is the Prostate Cancer Risk Calculator, which was develped on the basis of the PCPT trial data and therefore is entirely US oriented. Europeans (not to mention Argentinians, Russians, and Japanese) have very different diets and genetics to the &quot;average&quot; American. That alone undoubtedly impacts their risk in ways not addressed by the PCPT trial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy: </p>
<p>There are literally dozens of reasons why nomograms and tables like the Partin tables that are developed using data based on patient set A <strong><em>may</em></strong> not be as accurate for patient set B. The point of this study is that the German group actually proved it. </p>
<p>People should always be cautious about applying predictive tools of this type. One specific example of a predictive tool that is almost certainly NOT appropriate for use outside the USA is the Prostate Cancer Risk Calculator, which was develped on the basis of the PCPT trial data and therefore is entirely US oriented. Europeans (not to mention Argentinians, Russians, and Japanese) have very different diets and genetics to the &#8220;average&#8221; American. That alone undoubtedly impacts their risk in ways not addressed by the PCPT trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it has been a long day and my mind may not be too sharp but I can think of factors that would make the Partin Tables less valid for Italian and French men. Can someone explain? Is it differences in surgical technique? Is it related to frequency of screening? Differences in pathology standards? What other factors would explain this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it has been a long day and my mind may not be too sharp but I can think of factors that would make the Partin Tables less valid for Italian and French men. Can someone explain? Is it differences in surgical technique? Is it related to frequency of screening? Differences in pathology standards? What other factors would explain this?</p>
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